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>> CATHY: ON TONIGHT'S SHOW, AN EVENTFUL SECOND WEEK IN THE DEREK CHAUVIN TRIAL.

A LEGAL EXPERT HELPS BREAK IT ALL DOWN.

AN HISTORIC CANOE TRIP TO HUDSON BAY, AN ADIA MORRIS ESSAY, AND MARY LAHAMMER LOOKS AT A CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE AT THE STATE CAPITOL.

>> Mary: THERE'S AN EFFORT TO RETURN THE CHRISTO IF HE EVER COLUMBUS STATUE TO THE CAPITOL MALL.

WE'LL HEAR FROM THE BILL AUTHOR AND TALK ONE ON WOULD BE WITH LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR PEGGY FLANAGAN.

>> I SPENT THIS MORNING WEEPING AT MY COMPUTER.

>> Mary: THAT'S COMING UP, ON "ALMANAC."

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>> CATHY: GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME.

IN THE NEXT HOUR, WE'LL TALK POLITICS AND THE GOVERNOR'S REVISED BUDGET, HEAR ABOUT EFFORTS IN MINNESOTA TO COMBAT VIOLENCE AGAINST ASIAN AMERICANS, AND DAVID GILLETTE TELLS US ABOUT AN HISTORIC CANOE TRIP.

BUT WE START TONIGHT WITH THE DEREK CHAUVIN TRIAL.

>> ERIC: JURY SELECTION DID NOT CONCLUDE THIS AFTERNOON BUT THE BIG NEWS OF THE DAY OUT OF THE COURTROOM WAS JUDGE CAHILL'S RULING ON SEVERAL OUTSTANDING MOTIONS, INCLUDING A REQUEST FROM THE DEFENSE TO DELAY THE TRIAL OR MOVE IT OUT OF HENNEPIN COUNTY.

>> THE PURPOSE OF A CHANGE OF VENUE IS TO ASSURE THE DEFENDANT HAS A FAIR TRIAL BY AN IMPARTIAL JURY.

THE SAME IS TRUE AS THE BASIS FOR THE DEFENSE'S LATEST MOTION TO CONTINUE WITH THE HOPE THAT AS TIME PASSES, PEOPLE FORGET SOME OF THE PRETRIAL PUBLICITY.

UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK THE PRETRIAL PUBLICITY IN THIS CASE WILL CONTINUE NO MATTER HOW LONG WE CONTINUE IT.

PERHAPS SOME OF IT MAY, WITH TIME, BE FORGOTTEN BY PEOPLE, AND AS FAR AS CHANGE OF VENUE, I DO NOT THINK THAT THAT WOULD GIVE THE DEFENDANT ANY KIND OF A FAIR TRIAL BEYOND WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE TODAY.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY PLACE IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA THAT HAS NOT BEEN SUBJECTED TO EXTREME AMOUNTS OF PUBLICITY ON THIS CASE.

WITH THAT, WE'LL CONTINUE WITH JURY SELECTION.

WE WILL CONTINUE WITH JURY SELECTION IN THIS CASE AND IN THIS COUNTY.

>> ERIC: HERE TO HELP US SORT OUT ALL OF THIS WEEK'S LEGAL MANUEVERING AND JUDGE CAHILL'S RULINGS, FORMER HENNEPIN COUNTY PUBLIC DEFENDER MARY MORIARTY.

MARY, NO DELAY, NO CHANGE OF VENUE, DO YOU BUY THE JUDGE'S REASONING ON THOSE MOTIONS?

>> NEITHER OF HIS RULINGS WERE A SURPRISE.

IN FACT, THIS WAS NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT THE DEFENSE ASKED FOR A CHANGE OF VENUE.

THEY MADE THAT MOTION EARLIER AND JUDGE CALIFORNIA HILL AT THE TIME SAID, THERE'S NO PLACE IN MINNESOTA WHERE SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS CASE.

AND I THINK THAT'S EVEN MORE TRUE NOW GIVEN THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE SETTLEMENT.

88 IN TERMS OF THE CONTINUANCE, I THINK I WAS WAITING TO SEE WHETHER THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO GET SOME JURORS THIS WEEK AND BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SEAT SOME JURORS AND THEY'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO HAVING THE ENTIRE JURY, HE FELT COMFORTABLE GOING AHEAD WITHOUT A CONTINUANCE.

AS HE SAID, IT MAY BE THAT SOME THINGS WILL FADE INTO THE BACK OF PEOPLE'S MIND BUT HE'S ALSO CONCERNED THAT THE PRE-TRIAL PUBLICITY WILL CONTINUE THE LONGER THIS CASE GOES ON.

>> ARE YOU SURPRISED THAT THE JUDGE DID NOT SEQUESTER THIS JURY, GIVEN THE PRE-TRIAL PUBLICITY AND OBVIOUSLY PUBLICITY THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE THROUGHOUT THIS TRIAL?

>> NOT REALLY.

HE IS QUESTIONS TEARING THE JURY DOING DELIBERATIONS BUT IT'S A LOT TO ASK TO SEQUESTER THEM GOING THROUGH THE ENTIRE TRIAL.

THEY THINK THE TRIAL WILL BE ABOUT A MONTH AND THINK OF ALL THE PROSPECTIVE JURORS WHO COULDN'T BE ON THE JURY BECAUSE THEIR JOBS WEREN'T PAYING THEM TO BE THERE, THEY HAD DAY CARE, THEY WERE SELF-EMPLOYED.

IT WAS A HARDSHIP JUST TO BE ON THE JURY AND POTENTIALLY -- BE QUESTIONS TIERED FOR DELIBERATIONS, SO, NO, -- IT'S A HARDSHIP FOR PEOPLE TO BE KEPT TOGETHER THAT LONG AND WOULD MAKE THE SITUATION VERY STRESSFUL FOR THE JURORS BECAUSE THEY ARE STAYING IN A HOTEL WITH SOMEBODY THEY DON'T KNOW, THEY'RE KEPT TOGETHER ALL THE TIME.

THEY DON'T GET TO SEE ANYBODY ELSE SO IT'S STRESS FEEL HAVING TO DELIBERATE WHEN YOU'RE BEING SEQUESTERED BUT THROUGHOUT THE WHO WOULD TIME WOULD HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY DAUNTING FOR THE JURORS.

>> CHAUVIN, OF COURSE, IS PRESUMED INNOCENT GOING THROUGH THE THING BUT WITH ALL THE PUBLICITY, THE VIDEOTAPE, WORLD-WIDE FAMOUS, I WONDERED, DOES HE HAVE TO TAKE THE STAND DO YOU THINK IN ORDER TO EXPLAIN HIS ACTIONS OR IS THAT AN OPTION FOR THE DEFENSE?

>> HE DOES NOT HAVE TO TAKE THE STAND.

IN FACT, THE DEFENSE LAWYER HAS BEEN -- HAS BEEN TALKING TO THE JURORS ABOUT HIM NOT TESTIFYING.

I THINK THE CRUX OF THE DEFENSE WAS THAT GEORGE FLOYD ACTUALLY DIED OF THE DRUG OVERDOSE, HIS HEART CONDITION AND THE FACT THAT HE WAS STRUGGLING AGAINST THE POLICE.

THEY DON'T NEED DEREK CHAUVIN TO TESTIFY ABOUT THAT.

THEY HAVE AN EXPERT, I'M SURE THEY'RE GOING TO BE CROSS-EXAMINING THE TWO MEMBER EXAMINERS THAT THE STATE WILL BRING IN SO, NO, HE DOES NOT HAVE TO TESTIFY IF THE DEFENSE FEELS THAT IT CAN ESTABLISH ITS THEORY OF THE CASE THROUGH CROSS EXAMINATION AND THEIR OWN WITNESSES.

>> Cathy: SO ANOTHER MOTION WAS HEARD TODAY AND WAS THE VIDEO OF A 2019 ARREST BY MINNEAPOLIS POLICE OF GEORGE FLOYD.

THERE WAS A LOT IN THAT, SOME STUFF WAS ADMISSIBLE, SOME WAS NOT.

WHAT'S POTENTIALLY THE MOST DAMAGING >> IT COULD BE DAMAGING FOR EITHER SIDE.

SO THERE WAS AN INCIDENT, WHICH WAS FILMED, WITH GEORGE FLOYD ABOUT A YEAR BEFORE HE DIED.

THE POLICE WERE CALLED THERE, THE POLICE TOOK HIM OUT OF THE CAR AT GUN POINT.

HE INGESTED SOME DRUGS, PARAMEDICS WERE CALLED AND HE HAD EXTREMELY HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE, AND, IN FACT, THE PARAMEDIC TOLD HIM HE NEEDED TO GET TO THE HOSPITAL.

HE COULD DIE OF A STROKE OR A HEART ATTACK.

WHAT THE DEFENSE REALLY WANTED TO GET IN, THOUGH, WAS THE FACT THAT GEORGE FLOYD SAID THAT HE WAS CLAUSTROPHOBIC, HE WAS ENGAGING IN THE SAME BEHAVIORS THAT WE ALL SAW IF YOU WATCHED THE VIDEO THIS PAST YEAR WHEN HE DIED.

AND THE JUDGE SAID, NONE OF THAT WILL COME IN.

THE JUDGE HAS BEEN REALLY FIRM ON SAYING THAT THE BEHAVIOR OF GEORGE FLOYD IS NOT AT ISSUE HERE.

HE DOES NOT WANT PEOPLE INTERPRETING THE BEHAVIOR AS HE'S FAKING IT OR HE'S NOT -- THE JUDGE HAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT HE FEELS THAT THAT EVIDENCE IS NOT RELEVANT BECAUSE IT'S WHAT THE OFFICER SAW BEFORE THEM THAT'S IMPORTANT.

AND SO THE JUDGE IS ALLOWING THE BODY OFFICERS CHOSE TO GET HIM HELP.

THEY DIDN'T PIN HIM DOWN ON THE GROUND, WHICH EVENTUALLY LED TO HIS DEATH.

SO IT COULD CUT BOTH WAYS.

I COULD SEE THEM USING IT BOTH WAYS.

>> Eric: IN THE MINT WE'VE GOT LEFT, NOBODY KNOWS DEFENSE LAW BETTER THAN YOU.

DOES THE DEFENSE HAVE A DOESN'T SHOT AT REASONABLE DOUBT?

AND I WONDER IF YOU COULD TELL US WHAT THE JURY ROOM DYNAMIC MIGHT BE IF THERE IS A COUPLE HOLD-OUTS AT THE END.

>> JURY DELIBERATIONS CAN BE VERY TENSE.

PEOPLE CAN ARGUE, IT DEPENDS ON HOW UGLY OR DO PEOPLE GET LOCKED IN, DO THEY LISTEN TO EACH OTHER.

BUT ULTIMATELY, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THEY ARE LOCKED IN AND IT BECOMES EXTREMELY STRESSFUL, AND WHEN THEY'RE QUESTIONS TIERED, THEY DON'T -- SEQUESTERED, THEY DON'T GET TO GO HOME AND GET BOUYI HAD UP BY THEIR FAMILY SO OFTEN SOMEBODY GIVES UP IN THAT SITUATION BECAUSE THE PRESSURE IS TOO GREAT.

>> Eric: BUT DOES THE DEFERENCE IN THIS CASE HAVE A SHOT AT REASONABLE DOUBT?

>> THAT IS THE PIVOTAL SITUATION HERE I THINK IS GOING TO BE ON CAUSATION, LIKE WHY DID HE DIE.

AND I'M NOT SURE THAT I WOULD SAY THAT THE DEFENSE HAS A GOOD SHOT BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO REPUTABLE MEDICAL EXAMINERS WHO ARE GOING TO SAY, YES, GEORGE FLOYD HAD A LARGE AMOUNT OF DRUGS IN HIS SYSTEM.

YES, HE HAD A WEAKENED HEART.

THAT ONLY MEANT THAT DEATH CAME QUICKER TO HIM.

BUT LET'S BE CLEAR HERE, THE DEATH WAS CAUSED BY THE ACTIONS OF CHAUVIN AND THE OTHER OFFICERS.

SO THEY HAVE TO OVERCOME THAT BECAUSE THE STATE IS NOT CONTESTING THE DRUGS, THE WEAK HEART, THAT SORT OF THING.

>> Eric: WISH WE HAD MORE TIME.

WE DON'T.

THANK FOR JOINING US.

GREAT STUFF.

>> THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME.

>> Cathy: WE'LL HAVE YOU BACK.

>> CATHY: HERE WITH MORE ON THIS WEEK'S TRIAL DEVELOPMENTS AND COMMUNITY REACTION IN MINNEAPOLIS, TWO REPORTERS WHO HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS CLOSELY.

RIHAM FESHIR IS COVERING THE TRIAL FOR MINNESOTA PUBLIC RADIO NEWS.

JARED GOYETTE IS A MINNEAPOLIS-BASED FREELANCE JOURNALIST WHO IS WORKING WITH THE "WASHINGTON POST."

RIHAM, THE JUDGE WAS PRETTY ANNOYED WITH THE MEDIA THIS WEEK.

KIND OF ANNOYED WITH SOME OF THE COVERAGE, ABOUT WHAT'S ON THE ATTORNEY'S DESKS AND SOME OF THE COVERAGE OVER THE SECURITY AT THE COURT HOUSE.

TELL ME MORE ABOUT THAT.

WERE YOU SURPRISED?

>> I WAS, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'VE REPORTED ANY OF THOSE DETAILS SO THE FULL REPORTER NOTES THAT I'VE SEEN DID NOT INCLUDE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HE MENTIONED.

SO I AM PRETTY SURPRISED THAT HE SAID THAT SOME REPORTERS ARE REPORTING DETAILS OF ATTORNEY NOTES ON THEIR DESKS AND POST-IT NOTES AND THE DETAILS OF THE SECURITY IN THE HENNEPIN COUNTY GOVERNMENT CENTER AND THE 18th FLOOR WHERE THE TRIAL IS TAKING PLACE.

SO HE WAS PRETTY ANNOYED WITH THAT.

AND THAT WAS SURPRISING TO ME BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN PRETTY CAREFUL WITH THOSE DETAILS.

>> Eric:: JARED, YOU WERE ON THE STREET LAST MAY AND JUNE, GOT HIT IN THE EYE LAST TIME YOU WERE ON THE SHOW.

38th AND CHICAGO.

TELL US ABOUT THE DYNAMICS THERE AND HOW THEY'RE FITTING INTO KIND OF THE COMMUNITY REACTION SO FAR.

>> IT'S A COMPLEX DYNAMIC.

ON THE ONE HAND, YOU HAVE SOME RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS OWNERS WHO ARE FEARFUL BECAUSE OF A SERIES OF SHOOTINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED THERE, INCLUDING ONE TWO WEEKS AGO IN WHICH A VOLUNTEER AT THE SQUARE WAS KILLED.

AND YOU HAVE BUSINESSES THAT ARE -- MANY BLACK-OWNED SMALL BUSINESS' GEAR TO REOPEN.

BUT -- OR NOT REOPEN BUT HAVE THE STREET BE REOPENED, BUT, AT THE SAME TIME, YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE AND THEY'RE HOLDING SPACE AT THE SQUARE, TREATING IT AS A MEMORIAL.

AND MANY OF THE PEOPLE THERE THEMSELVES ARE ARE IN FACT RESIDENTS, ARE THEMSELVES NEIGHBORS, AND THEY'RE MUCH MORE CAUTIOUS ABOUT WANTING TO OPEN IT AND WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE AND WHAT NAH COULD MEAN.

THIS WEEK, THE MAYOR HAD PREVIOUSLY SAID THAT THE CITY WOULD WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE TRIAL TO OPEN THE SQUARE.

BUT THIS WEEK, THE POLICE CHIEF CAME OUT AND MADE SOME -- SAID, QUOTES, WE ARE PUTTING PEOPLE ON NOTICE, YOU KNOW, THEY INTEND TO OPEN THE SQUARE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER AND ARE GOING TO INCREASE LAW ENFORCEMENT PRESENCE THERE.

AND WHO -- HOW THAT'S INTERPRETED DEPENDS ON WHO YOU TALK TO.

THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE RELIEVED TO HEAR THAT AND THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE AFRAID BECAUSE IF THERE IS A SORT OF MASS CLEARING OF THAT SQUARE, I THINK THAT THERE'S PRETTY REASONS TO BE APPREHENSIVE ABOUT WHAT COULD HAPPEN NEXT.

>> Cathy: LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SETTLEMENT THAT ALSO MADE SOME PRETTY BIG NEWS A WEEK AGO TODAY, FRIDAY, WITH THIS MAJOR SETTLEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS AND THE GEORGE FLOYD FAMILY.

RIHAM, WHAT ARE MINNEAPOLIS CITY OFFICIALS SAYING ABOUT THE TIMING OF THAT AND WHY DID THEY DECIDE TO DO IT NOW?

>> SO, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID TIMING WAS CRITICAL AND THAT THEY NEEDED TO COME TO A DECISION SOONER THAN LATER.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME THEY DID NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE SPEAKING ABOUT ANY ADDITIONAL DETAILS BECAUSE THE CRIMINAL TRIAL IS ONGOING.

THE CITY OFFICIALS HAVE BEEN PRETTY -- UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE, APPARENTLY FROM THE JUDGE IN THE CHAUVIN TRIAL, AS WELL.

HE MENTIONED THAT THEY -- HE ASKED THE CITY TO STOP TALKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S APPARENTLY AFFECTED THE JURY POOL AND IT'S TAINTED SOME OF THE POTENTIAL JURORS WHO WERE QUESTIONED DURING JURY SELECTION THIS WEEK.

SO AS FAR AS WE KNOW, YEAH, THEY'VE BEEN UNDER A LOT OF PRESSURE TO TELL US MORE AND TO TELL US WHY, WHY NOW.

THE JUDGE THINKS THAT THE AMOUNT WOULD HAVE BEEN AFFECTED BY THE VERDICT, WHETHER IT'S HIGHER OR LOWER DEPENDING ON THE VERDICT, AND THAT'S WHY HE BELIEVES THAT THEY HAD TO ACT AT THE TIME THAT THEY HAD TO ACT.

>> Cathy: JARED, WAS THIS A CALCULATED MOVE, DO YOU THINK?

MAYBE TO TRY TO DE-ESCALATE ANY POTENTIAL VIOLENCE?

>> YEAH, I THINK THAT'S DEFINITELY PART OF THE OF THE CALCULATION AS FAR AS THE TIMING.

I HAD PEOPLE, CITY OFFICIALS TELL ME THAT THEY TRIED TO CONSULT WITH THE COURT, WITH THE CHIEF JUSTICE IN THIS CASE BUT OF COURSE NOT THE CHIEF JUSTICE WHO'S PRESIDING OVER THE TIME SO IT'S QUESTIONABLE HOW EFFECTIVE THAT WOULD BE, BUT YOU HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE AFRAID IF THERE IS A VERDICT -- DEPENDING ON THE VERDICT ABOUT WHAT THE STREET REACTION COULD BE AND THERE IS -- I THINK THERE IS A HOPE THAT THE SETTLEMENT MAY IN SOME WAYS INSULATE THE CITY FROM THAT, WHETHER THAT'S THE CASE OR NOT REMAINS TO BE SEEN BUT THAT'S IT IS THINKING.

>> Eric: RIHAM, DO WE KNOW FROM THE SPARSE INFORMATION WE'VE GOTTEN FROM THE JURORS, DO WE KNOW IF ANY OF THEM ARE IN THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS OR IS THAT UNOBTAINABLE AT THIS POINT?

>> WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GLEAN SOME INFORMATION ABOUT WHERE THE JURORS ARE FROM FROM THE QUESTIONING, NOT EVERY JUROR HAS MENTIONED WHERE THEY WERE FROM, BUT THERE ARE SOME WHO MADE THE PANEL WHO ARE FROM THE SUBURBS AND NOT FROM THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS.

IT SOUNDED TO ME A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WERE SUPER CLOSE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR ARE CHLOES TO WHERE THIS HAPPENED DID NOT MAKE IT TO THE FINAL JURY PANEL.

>> Eric: JUNIOR RED, THE MOVE OF THE ACTIVISTS SO FAR.

THERE WAS A PRETTY GOOD RALLY, LIKE, THE NIGHT BEFORE THE TRIAL STARTED BUT IT'S BEEN KIND OF QUIET AT LEAST DOWNTOWN.

WHAT'S YOUR SENSE OF THE MOOD OF THE ACTIVISTS RIGHT NOW?

>> I THINK THAT YOU HAVE TWO THINGS GOING ON.

YOU HAVE, LIKE, THE OLDER GUARD OF CIVIL RIGHTS OF MINNEAPOLIS, YOU KNOW, GROUPS LIKE NAKIMA LEVY POUNDS OR GROUPS AGAINST BRUTALITY, THEY'RE HOLDING ACTIONS RIGHT NOW RELATED TO THE TRIAL.

THEN YOU HAVE SORT OF NEWER MOVEMENT FOR BLACK LIVES MATTERS-INSPIRED GROUPS, WE CAN SEE LOOSELY INSPIRED BY THE BLACK LIVES MOVEMENT.

THEY'RE FOCUSED ON THE CHARTER.

THEY'RE NOT FOCUSED ON THE TRIAL RIGHT NOW.

THEY'RE FOCUSED ON TRYING TO CHANGE THE CITY CHARTER TO WHAT THEY SEE IS THE UNDERLYING CONDITIONS OF POLICING, SO, THE YOUNGER GROUPS ARE FOCUSED ON SOMETHING ELSE RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S PART OF WHY YOU'RE NOT SEEING -- THAT'S AFFECTING THE MAKE-UP AND FREQUENCY OF THE PROCESSES.

>> Cathy: RIHAM, AND JARRID YOU CAN CHIME IN, TOO.

LET'S TALK ABOUT CAMERAS IN THE COURTROOM.

THIS IS A FIRST FOR THE STATE OF MINNESOTA.

HUE IS THIS EXPERIMENT GOING, DO YOU THINK?

>> I THINK IT'S GOING REALLY WELL FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T TYPICALLY HAVE ACCESS TO TRIALS LIKE THIS.

THIS IS A HISTORIC TRIAL, OBVIOUSLY NATION-WIDE AND WORLD-WIDE, SO TO BE ABLE TO GIVE PEOPLE ACCESS TO THAT IS A GOOD THING, IN MY OPINION.

BUT ALSO TO LIKE GETTING PEOPLE DURING THE JURY SELECTION PROCESS.

NOT A LOT OF REPORTERS REPORT ON JURY SELECTION OH SO GIVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WORKS AND TO WATCH IT PLAY OUT IS HOPEFULLY SOMETHING THAT MIGHT CONTINUE HERE.

>> Cathy: JARED, ANY THOUGHT ON THAT?

>> JUST THAT I'M CONTINUOUSLY TALKING TO ACTIVISTS AND PEOPLE AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS, AND PEOPLE IN THE STREET AND ONE THING I'VE SEEN THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS IS HOW QUICKLY SMALL BITS OF MISINFORMATION CAN GET TANGLED AND SPREAD AND I THINK HAVING THE TRIAL SO ACCESSIBLE HELPS PUSH AGAINST THAT TO SOME DEGREE BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN TUNE IN THEMSELVES, SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING AND I THINK THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF THE CREDIBILITY OF THE PROCEEDINGS AND -- TO SOME DEGREE, I MEAN PEOPLE ARE STILL GOING TO DISTRUST THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM BUT I THINK IT WILL HELP WITH THE CREDIBILITY OF THE PROCEEDINGS.

>> JARED AND RIHAM, THANKS SO MUCH.

>> Eric: THANKS, FOLKS.

♪♪♪ ♪ OH, YEAH.

>> MY JAYS MEN BUSH IS BLOOMING.

IA SUPPOSED TO BE A BUSH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M DOING WITH PRUNING BUT IT'S A BIT LEGGY.

I LOOK FORWARD TO PUT TEARING WITH MY LITTLE PLANT CHILDREN, PULLING OUT DEAD LEAVES AND ROTATING POTS.

IT'S A BETTER HOUSE-BOUND ACTIVITY THAN MENTALLY REARRANGING THE FURNITURE, AGAIN.

I WAS PUT TOWERING A FEW WEEKS AGO, OR WAS IT LAST WEEK?

TIME IS WEIRD THESE DAYS.

WHEN I NOTICED THAT THE NEW GROWTH ON THE JASMINE WASN'T JUST ANOTHER LIGHT GREEN BUNDLE OF BABY LEAVES.

I CROWED OVER THE NEW ARRIVAL, THE THIRD BLOOM IN FIVE YEARS.

I DON'T KNOW OF ANYONE ELSE WHO IS AS EXCITED AS I WAS BUT I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO WAKING UP ONE DAY TO THAT HEAVENLY SMELL, THE FIRST TIME THIS PLANT BLOOMINGTON, THE SMELL FROM ONE TINY FLOWER FILLED OUR APARTMENT.

SHORT-LIVED BLOOMS BUT LOVELY.

A FEW DAYS LATER, I FOUND ANOTHER SMALLER BUT ON THE SAME BRANCH.

EVERY DAY I LEANED OVER THE PLANT SHELF, CHECKING THEIR PROGRESS, WATCHING THEIR SLOW PROGRESSION TO FULLNESS.

AND WOULDN'T YOU KNOW IT, ABOUT A WEEK LATER, I FOUND A THIRD BUD HIDING BEHIND A BROAD LEAF.

I'M GRATEFUL TO THIS LITTLE PLANT FOR GIVING ME SOMETHING SMALL AND TANGIBLE TO LOOK FORWARD TO TO MARK THE TIME.

WHEN IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY DAY, EVERY WEEK THERE'S SOME NEW HORRIBLE EVENT RACING ACROSS ALSO THE HEADLINES, WHEN WE WEARY OF STRAINING TO BEND THE ARC OF HISTORY TOWARDS JUSTICE, THIS PLANT REMINDS ME THAT THE TINY BEAUTIES MAKE IT WORTH IT.

IT MAY TAKE LONGER THAN WE LIKE TO SEE THEM AND THEY MAY NOT LAST BUT IT IS WORTH IT.

♪♪♪ >> ERIC: EIGHT PEOPLE WERE KILLED BY A WHITE GUNMAN IN THE ATLANTA SPA SHOOTINGS EARLIER THIS WEEK.

SIX OF THE VICTIMS WERE WOMEN OF ASIAN DESCENT, RAISING CONCERNS ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND HERE IN MINNESOTA ABOUT THE INCREASE IN VIOLENCE AGAINST ASIAN AMERICANS IN THE PAST YEAR.

SIA HER HEADS UP THE COUNCIL ON ASIAN PACIFIC MINNESOTANS, A POSITION SHE HAS HELD FOR NEARLY A DECADE.

I READ SOMEWHERE TODAY, I THOUGHT IT WAS A PRETTY INTERESTING COMMENT THAT FOR ASIAN WOMEN, IT'S A COMBINATION OF RACISM, SEXISM AND MISOGYNY.

DO YOU BUY THAT?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

DURING MY TENURE, WE HAVE MADE VIOLENCE AGAINST ASIAN WOMEN AND GIRLS A PRIORITY ISSUE FOR US AND SO WHEN I HEAR STATEMENTS LIKE THE VERY ONE YOU JUST MADE, I, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT HESITATION, I AGREE.

>> Cathy: MAY I ASK, SIA, WHAT IS BEHIND THIS -- THIS PERVASIVE VIOLENCE AGAINST ASIAN WOMEN?

WHAT ARE THE ROOTS OF THAT?

>> WELL, IN THE STUDY ON VIOLENCE AGAINST PREDOMINANTLY -- GENDER-BASED VIOLENCE WHICH WE OFTENTIMES SEE VICTIMS ARE WOMEN AND GIRLS.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE ASIAN -- THAT WHERE ASIAN WOMEN ARE CONCERNED, THERE IS THE STEREOTYPE THAT ASIAN WOMEN ARE SWEET, MEEK AND DOCILE, AND GIVEN THAT GENERAL STEREOTYPE ABOUT THEIR PERSONALITIES, IT'S UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY WON'T RETALIATE IF ONE MISTREATS THEM, RETALIATE MEANING THEY WON'T CALL ON OTHERS FOR HELP, THEY WON'T FIGHT BACK, THEY'LL JUST SUFFER IN SILENCE.

>> Eric: CALLS TO YOUR OFFICE INCREASED SINCE FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP STARTED WITH THE CHINA VIRUS DESCRIPTION?

ABSOLUTELY.

YOU KNOW, I RECALL IN SUMMER THAT I WAS SAYING TO LEGISLATORS AND TO MEMBERS OF MY BOARD THAT IN THE MONTH OF MARCH, APRIL AND MAY, I TOOK IN MORE CALLS ABOUT ANTI-ASIAN BIAS INCIDENTS AND HATE CRIMES THAN I HAVE TAKEN IN ALL OF THE SEVEN YEARS PRIOR, DURING MY TENURE.

AND I REMEMBER JUST SAYING DAY AFTER DAY ON THE PHONE WITH COMMUNITY FRUSTRATION AND FEAR, AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JUST TAKE TODAY, FOR EXAMPLE, I WAS GRABBING LUNCH OVER AT HMONG VILLAGE.

I MET AN AUNT AND SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, I'M SURPRISED TO SEE YOU HERE, SIA.

I CAME TO GRAB SOME VEGETABLES BUT, YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY SPENT SOME TIME WONDERING IF I SHOULD REALLY BE AT HMONG VILLAGE.

I'M AFRAID TO BE HERE.

I'M AFRAID THAT THE NEXT TIME SOMEONE WEALS LEADERSHIP THAT THEY'RE HAVING A BAD DAY, THIS IS GOING TO BE THEIR TARGET.

TO SAY THAT THE COMMUNITY IS FRUSTRATED AND ANGRY IS STILL AN UNDERSTATEMENT, I BELIEVE, WHEN TALKING OR WHEN ATTEMPTING TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, HOW IS THE COMMUNITY DOING RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT NOW?

>> I HAVE A QUESTION HERE WITH ABOUT A MINUTE LEFT.

WHAT SHOULD BE DONE, WHAT CAN BE DONE?

IS IT LEGISLATION, EDUCATION, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S AN "OR" STATEMENT, I BELIEVE IT'S AN "AND" STATEMENT.

I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME LEGISLATION, SOME BILLS THAT ARE IN THE QUEUE RIGHT NOW, FOR EXAMPLE, REPRESENTATIVE FRANK HORNSTEIN IS CARRYING A BILL THAT IS THE RESULT OF CONVERSATIONS THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE HOSTED ON THE ISSUE OF HATE CRIMES.

THAT BILL HASN'T HAD A HEARING DURING THE 2021 SESSION BUT THAT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF LEGISLATION THAT SHOULD BE MOVING FORWARD.

THERE IS, I THINK, A LONG LIST OF ACTIONS THAT CAN BE TAKEN, YOU KNOW.

I'VE HEARD QUITE OFTEN THAT IF ALLIES WANT TO HELP, ONE OF THE MOST TANGIBLE WAYS THEY COULD -- THEY CAN IS TO GO HAVE FUNDS GO INTO MINORITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS TO HELP BUILD THEIR CAPACITY TO DESIGN PROGRAMS THAT ARE AIN LINE WITH THE ASIAN AMERICAN, THOSE PROGRAMS HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF ACHIEVING, YOU KNOW OR HELPING MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO BUILD A SENSE OF BELONGING AND SO, YOU KNOW, JUST RIGHT OFF THE BAT, LEGISLATION -- PHILANTHROPIC SECTOR COULD DO ANY NUMBER OF THINGS.

>> Cathy: OKAY.

>> ONE OF THE OTHER PIECES THAT I -- >> Cathy: I WISH WE HAD MORE TIME, SIA.

I'M SO SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF BUT WE HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS WE HAVE TO GET TO BEFORE THE SHOW ENDS.

IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH AND TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF, OKAY?

>> Eric: THANKS FOR THE TIME.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

♪♪♪ >> Mary: SO LET'S TALK ABOUT YOUR BACKGROUND BECAUSE HOW YOU GOT TO POLITICS IS NOT THE TYPICAL ROUTE.

>> NO, I GUESS NOT.

AS A YOUNG MAN AND YOUTH GROWING UP, I'VE HAD MY ISSUES AS HAS BEEN OUT IN THE MEDIA AND I'VE OWNED THAT, I'VE OWNED THAT, AND I'VE BROUGHT MYSELF UP.

I'VE WORKED HARD AND SOMETIMES I TRY TO REMIND MYSELF TO BE HUMBLE IN THAT EXPERIENCE BUT I ALSO LIKE TO PROJECT IT BECAUSE I WANT TO HOLD MYSELF TO A STANDARD TO SHOW PEOPLE THAT THERE IS A PATH, THERE IS A PATH TO BEING SUCCESSFUL AND THERE IS A PATH TO MAKING A DIFFERENCE.

>> CATHY: GROWING OLD MAY BE A STAGE OF LIFE THAT PEOPLE FEAR THE MOST, AND PLAN FOR THE LEAST.

"FAST-FORWARD," A FILM PREMIERING NEXT WEDNESDAY NIGHT ON PBS STATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, HELPS PEOPLE LOOK INTO THAT FUTURE AS THEY FOLLOW FOUR MILLENIALS AND THEIR PARENTS TRAVELING THROUGH TIME.

>> THERE'S JUST SO MUCH VARIATIONS IN HOW LIFE COULD PLAY OUT.

HOW YOU PREPARE FOR THE UNKNOWN.

>> I DON'T REALLY LIKE ABOUT AGING AT ALL.

I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE A BURDEN.

>> THE THING THAT PEOPLE FEAR THE MOST IS THAT THEY WILL NOT BE THEMSELVES.

>> THE AGE GAIN NOW EMPATHY SYSTEM TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO WALK IN THE OLDER ADULT'S SHOES.

>> NOT FUN GETTING OLDER.

>> EVERYTHING LOOKS REALLY FOGGY.

>> GOT ME WITH THE AGING MAKE-UP.

>> I'M NOT LAUGHING, I'M TRYING NOT TO CRY.

>> ADDRESSING MORTALITY, HARD TO SEE YOUR MOM LOOKING LIKE A MUCH OLDER PERSON AND RECOGNIZING THAT YOU WON'T ALWAYS HAVE HER THERE WITH YOU.

>> OH, MY GOSH.

>> THE MAKE-UP -- >> LOOK LIKE THE GUY FROM CUNNING FEW, WITH THE -- >> THE RELATIONSHIPS ARE CRITICAL.

PROBABLY THE BIG DRIVER GOING FORWARD IN TERMS OF THE WELL-BEING.

>> MY DAD DOESN'T WANT HELP.

>> IT'S NOT PAIN, IT'S ON ACHE AND SORENESS.

>> YOU BETTER GET USED TO LIVING IN HERE.

>> LIVING IN THE AIR STREAM, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT SOPHIE MIGHT WANT TO DO BUT I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

>> HARD STUFF TO TALK ABOUT.

I TOLD YOU I'LL TAKE CARE OF YOU, THOUGH.

>> PEOPLE TEND TO SEE LATE LIFE AS A PERIOD OF DECLINE BUT WHEN YOU ASK OLDER PEOPLE HOW HAPPY THEY ARE, THEY'RE HAPPIER THAN YOUNGER PEOPLE.

>> I DON'T WANT TO SPEND MY DAYS IN SADNESS.

>> ME, THAT'S WHAT I'M AFRAID OF LOSING THE MOST.

BUT I'M STILL THERE, STILL GOING TO BE SUES AVERAGE.

-- GOING TO BE SUSAN.

>> CATHY: TWIN CITIES VIEWERS CAN WATCH "FAST-FORWARD" NEXT WEDNESDAY NIGHT AT 9:00.

FOR THE BROADCAST TIMES IN GREATER MINNESOTA, CHECK YOUR LOCAL LISTINGS.

COLLEEN WILSON, VICE PRESIDENT OF DIGITAL PUBLISHING HERE AT TWIN CITIES PBS, OVERSEES "NEXT AVENUE," A DIGITAL PUBLICATION FOR AND ABOUT PEOPLE 50 AND OLDER.

AS A PARTNER OF THE "FAST-FORWARD" DOCUMENTARY, NEXT AVENUE HAS CREATED A "TOOLKIT FOR AGING" THAT VIEWERS CAN USE AFTER WATCHING THE FILM.

COLLEEN, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU.

THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US.

>> I'M PLEASED TO BE HERE.

>> >> Cathy: YOU KNOW, THIS OBVIOUSLY IS A TOPIC MOST PEOPLE DO NOT WISH TO ADDRESS, SO IT IS SO BIG AND ENCOMPASSING, HOW DID YOU DECIDE HOW TO DIVE RIGHT IN?

>> OH, GOODNESS.

WELL, NUMBER ONE, NEXT AVENUE HAS BEEN AROUND FOR OVER NINE YEARS NOW AND AS YOU SAID, WE'RE A DAILY PUBLICATION WHERE OUR JOURNALISTS WRITE ABOUT ALL ISSUES RELATED TO AGING EVERY SINGLE DAY.

AND SO WE'VE DONE THOUSANDS OF REPORTS OVER THE YEARS AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IS BECAUSE PEOPLE'S EXPECTATIONS AROUND AGING IS CONSTANTLY CHANGING.

IT'S UNDER TREMENDOUS FLUX.

SO THERE IS AN UNLIMITED NUMBER OF STORIES AND IS ALSO -- IT'S QUITE COMPLICATED, THERE ARE MANY ASPECTS TO IT, HOUSING, HEALTH CARE, RELATIONSHIPS, FINANCE GO, FINDING YOUR OWN PURPOSE.

AND SO WHAT THE FILMMAKERS HAVE DONE WITH THIS IS REALLY QUITE POWERFUL.

AND THAT THEY'VE TAKEN, AS YOU SAW IN THE CLIP, FOUR ORDINARY FAMILIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THEY'RE ADULT CHILDREN AND THEY'RE AGING PARENTS, AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE, HENCE THE TITLE OF THE FILM, IS FAST-FORWARD THEM INTO THEIR 80s, SO THEY CAN HAVE A FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE OR SIMULATION OF WHAT IT'S LIKE TO AGE.

AND REALLY, THE GENIUS OF THAT IS HELPING PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS AND TO GET THEM IN THAT MINDSET, TO REALIZE NOW THAT I KNOW THIS, I'M GOING TO START PUTTING PLANS IN PLACE PROACTIVELY NOW WHILE I HAVE THE CHANCE.

BECAUSE REALITY IS, IS WHERE YOU LIVE IN AN AGEIST SOCIETY.

PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GROW OLD.

WHEN IN FACT GROWING OLD IS A PRIVILEGE WE SHOULD WANT FOR OURSELVES AND FOR OUR LOVED ONES.

>> Cathy: AND SOME PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THAT PRIVILEGE, SOME DIE YOUNG, AS YOU KNOW.

SAY, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE TOOL KIT.

YOU HAVE A TOOL CAN IT SPECIFICALLY THAT YOU'VE CREATED THROUGH NEXT AVENUE, WHICH IS IS -- I UNDERSTAND IS THREE EMAIL COURSES.

CAN YOU BRIEFLY EXPLAIN THAT?

>> YEAH, YOU BET.

SO WHAT WE DID SINCE THERE ARE SO MANY FACTORS INVOLVED IN MAKING A PLAN FOR YOURSELF AS YOU AGE, WE REALLY FORCED OURSELVES TO PRIORITIZE.

IF PEOPLE COULD TAKE TWO STEPS, PUT TWO PLANS IN PLACE, WHAT WOULD THOSE BE?

AND SO WE CHOOSE THE TWO TOPICS OF, ONE, IDENTIFYING WHO IS YOUR SUPPORT SYSTEM SO THAT'S THE FIRST COURSE.

THE SECOND COURSE IS THEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THOSE FOLKS WHOM YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HELP YOU, THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND THOSE ORGANIZATIONS SO THAT THAT PLAN IS THEN CODIFIED AND IN PLACE.

AND THE THIRD COURSE IS COMPLETING A LIVING WILL.

>> Eric: DO YOU HAVE -- YOU DO HAVE A BIG EVENT APRIL 1st.

CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THAT?

>> YEAH, SO THAT'S COMING RIGHT UP AND THAT IS A VIRTUAL PANEL DISCUSSION, WE'RE INVITING PEOPLE TO RSVP, THEY CAN GO TO TPT.ORG/EVENTS, RSVP FOR IT AND THEN WHAT IT DOES IS WE'LL ENCOURAGE THEM TO WATCH THE ONE-HOUR BROADCAST IN ADVANCE AND THEN COME TO THE EVENT AND WE'LL HAVE SOMEONE FROM AARP WHO OVERSEAS CARE-GIVING INITIATIVES, WE'LL HAVE ONE OF THE PEOPLE FEATURED IN THE FILM, MYSELF, AS WELL AS THE FILMMAKER AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO TELL BEHIND THE SCENES STORIES, ANSWER AUDIENCE QUESTIONS SO THEY CAN REALLY BE WELL-PREPARED TO TAKE THEIR OWN -- PUT THEIR OWN PLANS IN PLACE FOLLOWING THE FILM.

>> Cathy: REALLY INTERESTING STUFF, COLLEEN.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> Eric: GOOD LUCK WITH IT.

THANKS.

♪♪♪ >> ERIC: ALMOST EXACTLY A DECADE AGO, TWO YOUNG WOMAN CLIMBED ABOARD A CANOE HERE IN THE TWIN CITIES AND, 85 DAYS LATER, THEY MADE HISTORY.

SO, WHAT EXACTLY DID THEY DO?

AND WHY IS THEIR IMPRESSIVE FEAT ONCE AGAIN GAINING MEDIA ATTENTION?

DAVID GILLETTE CAUGHT UP WITH AUTHOR NATALIE WARREN TO UNCOVER ALL THE ANSWERS.

SPECIAL THANKS, BY THE WAY, TO OUR COLLEAGUES AT PIONEER PBS FOR THEIR HELP WITH THIS STORY.

♪♪♪ >> SO IN 2011, MY FRIEND ANN AND I WERE THE FIRST TWO WOMEN TO RECREATE ERIC SEVAREID'S ROUTE FROM THE -- PADDLING OVER 2,000 MILES FROM MINNEAPOLIS TO HUDSON BAY.

>> David: YOU HAD CHALLENGES BUT YOU SURVIVED IT AND IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS A PRETTY LIFE-DEFINING EXPEDITION FOR BOTH OF YOU.

>> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

IT WAS A COMING OF AGE TRIP FOR ME, I LEARNED A LOT NOT ONLY ABOUT MYSELF BUT INTERPERSONAL RELATIONSHIP, PADDLING WITH JUST ONE OTHER PERSON FOR 85 DAYS BUT WE LAUNCHED ON THE MINNESOTA RIVER DURING AN EPIC FLOOD IN 2011 AND WE WERE PADDLING UPSTREAM FOR THE FIRST 330 MILES, SO WHAT I DIDN'T EXPECT FROM THE TRIP WAS HOW MUCH WE WOULD LEARN ABOUT THE LANDSCAPE, THE PEOPLE, THE COMMUNITIES ALONG THE RIVER, THE CHALLENGES THAT THEY FACED, AND NOTICING AS YOU'RE PADDLING THIS VERY SLOW MOVEMENT, ESPECIALLY UPSTREAM DAY AFTER DAY, YOU SEE THE ERODED BANKS, YOU SEE THE CORN GOING ALL THE WAY UP TO THE RIVER AND YOU HAVE THIS SPECIAL TIME TO TALK AND PROCESS ALL THESE THINGS AND THEN THE RED RIVER, YOU KNOW, WAS FLYING, WE'RE GOING DOWNSTREAM AND YOU SEE A LOOT OF THE SIMILAR THINGS, THE COLLAPSE OF THE SMALL TOWN ECONOMY.

YOU'RE TALKING TO PEOPLE, HEARING THE SAME STORIES, PADDLING OVER CORNFIELDS TO CUT OFF CORNERS AND THEN YOU PADDLE OVER BLOOMS CAUSED BY THE CHEMICALS CAUSED BY THE FIELDS ON LAKE WINNIPEG.

THE TRIP ITSELF IS A LITERAL EXAMPLE OF HOW INTER-CONNECTED EVERYTHINGS AND THAT HAPPENED ME TO THINK NOR ECOLOGICALLY NOT ONLY ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL THINGS BUT TAKING THAT AND APPLYING IT TO OTHER THINGS, AS WELL.

>> David: AND OF COURSE THE REASON WE'RE TALKING TODAY IS, CONGRAT LATERS, YOU HAVE A BOOK COMING OUT ABOUT IT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> David: I WAS THINKING TO MYSELF, EVERYONE NEEDS TO HAVE AN EXPERIENCE LIKE THIS.

THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME GROUP THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PUSHING PEOPLE OUT THE DOOR AND GIVING THEM THIS CHANCE BUT, AT THE SAME TIME, YOU READ ABOUT YOUR BACKGROUND AND YOU WEREN'T A NOVICE.

IN A WAY, YOU WERE PREPARING FOR YOUR WHOLE CHILDHOOD FOR THIS EXPEDITION, GOING TO CANOE CAMPS AND LEARNING TO BE COMFORTABLE ON THE WATER AND IT JUST MADE ME WONDER, DO YOU THINK THE AVERAGE PERSON CAN DIVE INTO SOMETHING LIKE YOU DID OR WAS IT REALLY THE CULMINATION OF YEARS AND YEARS OF WORK AND PREPARATION?

>> A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH FOR ME.

I THINK THAT THIS SHOULD BE A REALLY NORMAL THING TO DO AND I'VE REALLY BENEFITED FROM IT NOT BEING A NORMAL THING TO DO IN TERMS OF MY CAREER BUT PADDLING WITH THE WATER, WALKING WITH THE LAND ACTUALLY OBSERVING THIS BEAUTIFUL EARTH THAT WE LIVE ON AND TAKING TIME TO DO THAT IN OUR LIVES SHOULD BE NORMAL.

THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU DO HAVE TO PREPARE, YOU DO HAVE TO LEARN CERTAIN THINGS BUT I STILL THINK GETTING IN A CAR AND DRIVING 70 MILES PER HOUR IS PROBABLY MORE DANGEROUS THAN GETTING IN A CANOE ON A RIVER.

IT'S POSSIBLE FOR EVERYONE TO DO.

>> David: I DID WANT TO JUST TIE IT BACK TO THE BOOK BECAUSE IT'S REALLY A FASCINATING BLEND AND OBVIOUSLY IT TELLS A STORY OF YOUR EXPEDITION BUT IT DOES TALK A LOT ABOUT THE HEALTH OF THE RIVER AND THE IMPORTANCE OF SPACE AND I WAS WONDERING, THE PERSON WHO ACTUALLY WROTE THIS THING, HOW DO YOU VIEW THIS BOOK?

IS THIS A TRAVEL LOG, A PLACE FOR YOUR FELLOW HUMANS TO TREAT THE EARTHS IN A BETTER FASHION, WHAT IS THIS THING REALLY ABOUT?

THAT'S A WONDERFUL QUESTION.

I SOMETIMES JOKE IT'S A BAIT AND SWITCH.

LIKE COME READ ABOUT THIS GRAND ADVENTURE BUT ALSO LOOK AT ALL THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND SOCIAL THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING ALONG THIS ROUTE THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER, ESPECIALLY IN OUR CURRENT CLIMATE CRISIS.

SO THIS BOOK, TO ME, CAN BE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND IT HAS A LOT OF AUDIENCES.

STRANGELY ENOUGH, I WROTE IT FOR YOUNG WOMEN, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHITE MEN OVER 75 HAVE EMAILED ME THE MOST WITH QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, RIGHT?

SO IT CAN MEAN A LOT OF DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES BUT WHAT I HOPE IS THAT IT GETS IN THE HANDS OF YOUNGER PEOPLE AND STARTS TO SHOW THEM A DIFFERENT NARRATIVE TO LIFE AND STARTS TO GET THEM TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY CAN DO AND WHAT THEY CAN LEARN AND THROUGH THESE EXPERIENCES, TRYING TO SORT OF CHANGE OUR PERSPECTIVE ON THE WORLD BY ACTUALLY BEING IN IT.

♪♪♪ >> CATHY: THE MINNESOTA SENATE IS SET TO VOTE ON A BILL TO REPAIR AND RETURN THE STATUE OF CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS TO THE CAPITOL GROUNDS.

MARY LAHAMMER SPOKE WITH THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR ABOUT THIS PAINFUL PART OF STATE HISTORY AND GIVES US SOME MORE CONTEXT.

WE HAVE A REAL OPPORTUNITY TO ENSURE THAT EVERYONE, EVERY MINNESOTAN FEELS SEEN AND HEARD AND VALUED AND WELCOMED WHEN THEY COME TO THE CAPITOL.

>> I'M STANDING AT THE LOCATION WHERE LAST SPRING, DURING THE RIOTS, THE COLUMBUS STATUTE WAS TORN DOWN.

>> Mary: THE ALEXANDRIA SENATOR WITH A LAW ENFORCEMENT BACKGROUND WANTS THE STATE TO PAY $154,000 TO REPAIR AND RETURN THE COLUMBUS STATUE OUTSIDE THE STATE CAPITOL.

>> IT'S A RATHER COSTLY ORDEAL BUT I WANT IT REPLACED AND IT WILL SEND A MESSAGE TO THOSE WHO WILL COME OUT AND DO DAMAGE TO THE STATE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO STAND FOR THAT AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET THE ADMINISTRATION ALONG WITH THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR JUST LOOK ASIDE.

>> I'M NOT GOING TO FAIN SAD THAT'S.

I WILL NOT SHED A TEAR OVER THE LOSS OF A STATUE.

>> THAT'S NOT HOW ALL MINNESOTA FEELS AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT REPLACED.

>> Mary: THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR IS CHAIR OF THE CAP BOARD THAT OVERSEES THE CAPITOL AND THE MALL.

SHE'S ALSO AN ENROLLED MEMBER OF THE WHITE EARTH NATION.

>> YOU KNOW, MARY, THERE WASN'T A PROCESS FOR REMOVAL OF STATUES OR MONUMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO CORRECT THAT SO WE'VE LAUNCHED AN ENTIRE PROCESS.

THE DEDICATION OF THE STATUE ORIGINALLY DREW MORE THAN 20,000 PEOPLE WITH GOVERNOR FLOYD B. OLSON SPEAKING TO THE ENORMOUS CROWD IN 1931.

SENATOR INGEBRIGTSEN NOTES THAT IT WAS ITALIAN-AMERICAN CLUBS FROM MINNESOTA THAT RAISED THE FUNDS AFTER FACING DISCRIMINATION THEMSELVES.

>> THE STATUE NOT ONLY REPRESENTS ITALIAN AMERICAN ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND CONTRIBUTIONS BUT ALSO STOOD AS A STATEMENT AGAINST DISCRIMINATION.

>> Mary: A MAN WITH THE AMERICAN INDIAN MOVEMENT WAS CHARGED WITH CRIMINAL DESTRUCTION OF PROPERTY AND SENTENCED TO RESTITUTION FOR TOPPLING THE STATUE.

AUTHORITIES WERE ON HAND IN A PROTEST MANY SEW COMING.

>> Facebook NOTICE ABOUT THE EVENT, POSTED IN ADVANCE OF THE EVENT DECLARED TODAY'S THE DAY WE REMOVE THIS PIECE OF [BLEEP] FROM THE CAPITOL.

>> Mary: IN COMMITTEE, A MINNEAPOLIS SENATOR SAID TO USE TAXPAYER MONEY TO RUSH THE STATUE IS A GIANT SLAP IN THE FACE TO NATIVE PEOPLE.

>> AS MINNESOTANS, WE SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THIS LAND IS BEING SHARED WITH ITS ORIGINAL OCCUPANTS, RIGHT?

THE NATIVE PEOPLE OF MINNESOTA.

AND CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS WAS A COLONIZER, A MASS MURDERER AND A RACIST.

>> I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THERE'S HONOR IN LIFTING SOMEONE UP BY HIS OWN ADMISSION SAID THAT HE TRAFFICKED YOUNG GIRLS AS YOUNG AS NINE AND TENSE YEARS OLD.

AS A MOM OF AN 8-YEAR-OLD, I FOUND THAT APPALLING AND I WOULD ALSO SAY, MARY, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS GOING TO GET A LOT OF TRACTION IN THE HOUSE.

WE ARE FOCUSED IN WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS IN THE HOUSE ON CREATING A BUDGET THAT HELPS MINNESOTANS GET BACK TO BETTER AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD REALLY LIKE US TO BE FOCUSED ON RIGHT NOW.

>> Mary: THE BILL PASSED COMMITTEE AND IS AWAITING ACTION ON THE SENATE FLOOR IN WHAT PROMISES TO BE A DIVISIVE DEBATE IN A DIFFICULT YEAR OF THE STATE RECKONING WITH ITS PAST.

>> IT HAS BEEN QUITE A YEAR AND I THINK THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S DEFINITELY AN UNDERSTATEMENT.

BUT I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE IN THIS MOMENT WHEN WE CAN DO BETTER.

>> Mary: SPEAKING IN YOUR ROLE AS A LEADER, AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, AS A WHITE EARTH WOMAN, HAVING COLUMBUS COME BACK, HOW DOE SEE THAT ISSUE?

>> YOU KNOW, I SPENT THIS MORNING WEEPING AT MY COMPUTER, WATCHING THE FIRST NATIVE AMERICAN, MY FRIEND, DEB HOME LICENSE, BECOME -- DEB HAALANND BECOME THE FIRST SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR AND I THINK IT'S REALLY -- IT'S TIME THAT WE EMBRACE WHO WE ARE COMPLETELY.

♪♪♪ ♪♪♪ >> ERIC: LOTS OF POLITICAL NEWS THIS WEEK.

GOVERNOR WALZ RELEASED AN UPDATED BUDGET, THE STATE OF THE STATE ADDRESS WAS POSTPONED, AND TEMPERS WERE HIGH ON THE HOUSE AND SENATE FLOORS.

JOINING US NOW, TWO FORMER STATE SENATORS WHO REMEMBER THOSE FLOOR SESSIONS.

REPUBLICAN FRITZ KNAAK IS HERE, AND SO IS DFL-ER EMBER REICHGOTT JUNGE.

SENATOR REICHGOTT JUNGE, PEGGY FLANAGAN AS LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR HAS GOTTEN HER COVID SHOTS.

THE GOVERNOR WITH BROAD EMERGENCY POWERS HAS NOT AND HE'S NOW QUARANTINED.

SHOULDN'T THE GOVERNOR WITH THAT KIND OF AUTHORITY HAVE BEEN VACCINATED BY NOW?

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE WRONG MESSAGE TO SEND TO MINNESOTANS.

I AM SO IMPRESSED WITH THE CHARACTER OF THIS GOVERNOR THAT HE TRULY WAS WAITING HIS TIME TO HAVE HIS SHOT.

HE IS NOT ELIGIBLE YET AND YOU'RE RIGHT, HE COULD HAVE HAD IT BUT I THINK IT'S SHOWING EMPATHY AND I THINK IT'S SHOWING THAT HE IS ONE MINNESOTAN JUST LIKE THE REST OF US.

>> Cathy: SENATOR KNAAK, THE GOVERNOR'S EMERGENCY POWERS HAVE BEEN EXTENDED NOW BUT CASES ARE TAKING UP A LITTLE BIT -- CASES ARE TICKING UP A LITTLE BIT BUT GENERALLY THINGS ARE LOOKING GOOD IN MINNESOTA.

WHAT'S THE POINTS OF THESE EMERGENCY POWERS BEING EXTENDED, DO YOU THINK, AND WHEN WILL THEY END?

>> WELL, THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION, I WISH I COULD TELL YOU WHEN IT WAS GOING TO END AND, FRANKLY, FROM -- IT'S NOT GOING TO GO AWAY, WHAT THE REPUBLICANS ARE DOING, WHAT THEY'RE FINDING OUT IS THIS ACTION IS CREATING A VULNERABILITY FOR THE GOVERNOR.

I THINK IF HE HAD IT TO DO OVER AGAIN, I DON'T THINK HE'S BASICALLY -- BASICALLY, I THINK IF HE HAD IT TO DO OVER AGAIN WHAT HE WOULD EVER DONE IS PROBABLY FOUND A WAY TO GET SOME BUY-IN, SOME LEGISLATIVE INPUT AND SOME BUY-IN, YOU DO IT KIND OF IN THE MANNER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES.

AS IT IS, HE'S TAKEN UP ALL THE RESPONSIBILITY.

WE'VE NEVER SEEN IN OUR HISTORY A SITUATION WHERE THE EXECUTIVE HAS ESSENTIALLY UNFETTERED POWER OVER SUCH AN EXTENSIVE PERIOD OF TIME.

AND IT'S INTERESTING TO ME BECAUSE THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO TALK ABOUT NOW OUTSIDE OF THE CONTEXT OF JUST POLITICS, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.

AND THEY'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT THE PANDEMIC, THE RESULTS OF THE PANDEMIC, THE CONSEQUENCES OF WHAT WE'VE DONE DURING THE PANDEMIC AND IN THIS CASE, IT HAS TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, CREATING A LOT OF EXECUTIVE POWER.

IN THE CASE OF ELECTIONS, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS IMPROVISED WAYS OF COUNTING BALLOTS, ESPECIALLY MAILED-IN BALLOTS THAT CAUSED SOME DISCOMFORT ON A PART OF A LOT OF THE ELECTORATE THAT IS BEING RESOLVED WAY WAY OR ANOTHER RIGHT NOW BUT GAINING THAT CONFIDENCE BACK ON THE PART OF ALL THE ELECTORATE IN THE SYSTEM IS GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT AND THERE ARE ANY OF A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT, NOW WHAT WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL.

I THINK A LOT OF THESE ISSUES ARE GOING TO BE RECRUIT NOISED.

THIS ONE CERTAINLY IS.

I MEAN, WITH THE D.F.L.ers IN THE LEGISLATURE ARE SAYING PRIVATELY IS TO REPUBLICANS, WE KNOW YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THIS, THIS IS NOT AN UNDESERVED CONCERN ON YOUR PART BUT HE'S OUR GUY AND WE'RE GOING TO STICK WITH HIM AND HE HASN'T AS FAR AS THEY'RE CONCERNED MADE ANY MISTAKES.

>> Eric: SENATOR REICHGOTT JUNGE, IS 1MINNESOTA KIND OF TAKING A BEATING BASED ON THE PANDEMIC IN MINNESOTA.

I'VE TALKED TO RURAL FOLKS AND THE GOVERNOR'S POPULARITY IS NOT AT ITS HIGHEST OUT THERE.

>> THE GOVERNOR HAD TO STRIKE A BALANCE AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THAT BALANCE IS, WHAT IT DID IS PROVIDE TWO MILLION VACCINATIONS IN MINNESOTA.

IN FACT, WE'RE IN THE TOP 10 CONSISTENTLY OF THE STATES AS FAR AS GETTING VACCINATIONS.

WE HAD GREAT TESTING IN MINNESOTA, SO WE WERE HIGH ON BOTH OF THOSE AND WE HAD ONE OF THE LOWEST DEATH RATES AND RATES OF HOSPITALIZATION PER 100,000 THAN ANY OTHER STATE.

SO THIS BALANCE IS WORKING.

IT'S ALSO WORKING IN THE ECONOMIC SIDE BECAUSE PEOPLE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE ARE LESS RESTRICTIVE IN OUR RESTRICTIONS ON BUSINESS AND SUCH THAN HALF OF THE OTHER STATES IN THE NATION.

AND SO WE'VE REALLY HAD TO STRIKE THAT BALANCE AND I THINK HE'S DONE IT EFFECTIVELY, AND HE HAS LISTENED TO THE SCIENCE, WHICH IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

I BELIEVE, AS WE RECOVER FROM THIS ECONOMIC TIME AND WITH THE HELP, THAT RURAL MINNESOTA AND EVERYONE IS GOING TO LOOK BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE ACTUALLY WEATHERED THE STORM PRETTY WELL IN MINNESOTA.

>> Cathy: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE GOVERNOR'S REVISED BUDGET FOR A MOMENT.

HE CAME BACK WITH FEWER TAX INCREASES, SENATOR KNAAK, THE G.O.P.

CAME BACK WITH SOME TAX CUTS.

SEEMS LIKE THERE COULD BE A DEAL THERE, MEET SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> WELL, THEY'RE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION.

I CONSIDER IT TO BE -- THE GOVERNOR'S NEW PROPOSAL TO BE A CAREFUL RETREAT, NOT AN ENTIRE, YOU KNOW, SURRENDER BUT A CAREFUL RETREAT BACK FROM HIS POSITION.

I MEAN, IT LOOKED VERY BAD, NOT ONLY THAT THE STATE HAD A SURPLUS BUT THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE GETTING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM THE FEDS IN ALL THIS.

AND SO AS AN ULTIMATE CONSEQUENCE AND RESULT OF THAT, HE'S KIND OF HAD HIS NECK WAY OUT THERE ON HIS TAX INCREASES AND THAT DID NOT PLAY VERY WELL WITH THE PUBLIC.

HE KNEW THAT.

HE HAD TO BACKTRACK IMMEDIATELY BUT HE COULDN'T COMPLETELY LET GO OF THE PRINCIPLE THAT HE HAD OF A PROGRESSIVE TAX ON THE HIGHEST -- ON THE HIGHEST -- >> Eric: AND I WONDER -- SORRY.

I WONDER, SENATOR REICHGOTT JUNGE, THOUGH, IF THAT'S A PAGE OUT OF THE FIRST MARK DAY TAN CAMPAIGN PLAY BOOK WHERE THAT TAX THE RICH GOT HIM ELECTED, AT LEAST HELPED, IS THAT WHAT'S GOING ON AS FAR AS THE 2022 CAMPAIGN ISSUE?

>> NO, I THINK WHAT THE GOVERNOR IS TRYING TO DO IS A BUDGET FOR THE LONG TERM RATHER THAN FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS AND THAT'S WHAT I REALLY ADMIRE ABOUT HIM.

THREE THINGS TO THAT.

ONE IS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT SURPLUS THAT WE HAVE, IT'S ONE-TIME MONEY.

THAT DOESN'T DO A LOT LONG TERM, RIGHT?

SECOND THING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SURPLUS DOLLARS ARE JUST NOT THAT BIG.

$1.6 BILLION YOU THINK ARE BIG BUT NOT REALLY.

WHY?

BECAUSE, GUESS WHAT, THE GOVERNOR IS PUTTING $1.5 BILLION BACK INTO THE BUDGET RESERVE JUST TO BRING IT BACK UP TO WHERE IT WAS BEFORE.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT INFLATION, IF YOU HAVE 2% INFLATION, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER BILLION IN THE BUDGET.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE TAX RELIEF THAT FRITZ JUST TALKED ABOUT IN THE FEDERAL DOLLARS FOR P.P.P.

AND UNEMPLOYMENT, THAT'S ANOTHER 600,000.

WE HAVE JUST SPENT THE BUDGET SURPLUS TWICE OVER AND WE STILL HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING FOR LONG-TERM ADVANCEMENT.

SO MY CONCERN IS THAT THIS PANDEMIC NEVER HAS -- THIS PANDEMIC HAS JUST SLOAN A SPOTLIGHT ON WHAT WE DIDN'T DO PRIOR TO THE PANDEMIC THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE DONE.

WE NEED INVESTMENTS IN OUR UNDERRESOURCED NURSING HOMES.

THERE ARE STILL RACIAL DISPARITIES IN EDUCATION AND HEALTH CARE, AND SO THAT LONG TERM HAS GOT TO HAPPEN AND THIS PANDEMIC REALLY, THE WEALTH, 90% OF THE WEALTH WENT TO PEOPLE IN THE UPPER COUPLE OF PERCENT.

SO ALL OF THE GOVERNOR'S INTENTIONS ARE LONG TERM AND FOR EVERYONE TO BENEFIT FROM THIS BUDGET.

>> Eric: SAY, SENATOR KNAAK, PUT ON YOUR REDISTRICTING HAT FOR A SECOND.

I THINK THE TWO HOUSE AND SENATE REDISTRICTING COMMITTEES I THINK HAVE MET A TOTAL OF ONE TIME.

MY GUESS IS THEY'RE GOING TO GET BEHIND THE PETER WATSON, JOE MANSKI LAWSUIT AND NOT EVEN BOTHER IT AT THE LEVEL, WHAT -- MAYBE 6 A HEARD SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

>> NO, I HAVEN'T.

THE FACT IS THAT'S THE WAY IT'S GOING TO RESOLVE WHEN YOU'VE GOT A SPLIT LIKE THIS.

IT'S GOING TO END UP IN THE COURTS.

EVERYBODY -- IT'S ALWAYS -- EVEN WAY BACK, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS ON THE COMMITTEE THAT WAS INVOLVED IN THE REDISTRICTING, THEY WERE USING COMPUTERS THAT COULD SLICE AND DICE PRESCRIPTION DOWN TO THE LAST PERSON.

WHAT THEY'RE DEALING, EVERYBODY IS USING VERY SOPHISTICATED PROGRAMMING EQUIPMENT AND DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO PARE THINGS IN A WAY THAT THE OTHER SIDE DOESN'T GET AS MANY SAFE SEATS AS YOU DO.

AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.

ULTIMATELY, YOU'RE GOING TO END UP -- AND I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THOSE COURT CASES, TOO, YOU'RE GOING TO END UP IN FRONT OF THE COURTS AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING TO GET RESOLVED ULTIMATELY.

I J US DON'T SEE ANYBODY REACHING AN AGREEMENT IN THIS ENVIRONMENT.

IT'S JUST TOO PARTISAN.

PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO BE -- I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THEY PUT THAT ALL ASIDE BUT THEY WON'T, YOU KNOW THEY WON'T, SO IT WILL END UP IN THE COURTS.

>> Cathy: SO BEFORE WE GO, WE HAVE ABOUT A MINUTE LEFT, QUESTION FOR THE BOTH OF YOU.

SO WILL IT BE MAY 17th OR JUNE 30th FOR THE END OF SESSION?

SENATOR REICHGOTT JUNGE?

>> I'LL SAY MAY 17th?

WHY, BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, MELISSA HORTMAN AND THE MAJORITY LEADER IN THE SENATE IN PAUL GAZELKA HAVE A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP AND I THINK THEY REALLY DO WANT TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

SO I'M HOPEFUL BUT WE DO HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO AND I -- WE HAVE A LOT OF NEEDS TO ADDRESS.

>> Cathy: SENATOR KNAAK.

>> I'VE ALWAYS ADMIRED EMBER'S OPTIMISM AND I WOULD SAY ANYTHING BUT THAT I WOULD SAY IT'S MORE LIKELY LATER THAN SOONER.

>> Cathy: SO YOU'RE THINKING MORE LIKE JUNE 30th OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

>> I HOPE I'M WRONG BUT I JUST -- >> ME TOO.

>> Eric: GREAT STUFF, GUYS.

THE BELL HAS RUNNING.

THANKS.

>> Cathy: THANKS.

>> CATHY: WE'VE RUN A BIT LONG TONIGHT.

WE'LL HAVE A NEW HISTORY QUESTION FOR YOU NEXT WEEK.

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TWENTY YEARS AGO THIS WEEK, SEMISONC STOPPED BY THE OLD "NEWSNIGHT" SET TO PERFORM A TUNE OFF OF THEIR NEW C.D.

"ALL ABOUT CHEMISTRY."

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